Glenn W. Turner

GWT: "I'm not sure I know how. You see, how you hear what's said, and how you look at the pictures is sort of personal. I can only tell you how I see them."

GWT: "Well, there's the business of self-reliance, and the need to make your world. And then there's childhood. That's important. Because children have wisdom they often forget as they grow up. And there's searching over and over. There's also the business of people keeping others from doing things. They're fearful when someone invades their turf. And then there's the business of always presenting to people only what we want them to see. However, we usually don't follow up and they find us out in the end. And then we start judging others, and the whole business of communication, of feelings, the need for models or people who we respect. They've made it and serve as models for us to follow. And then, of course, there's the harrier we all reach in life, when we KNOW what we are, where we should be ... or we think so. But we can never make it and so we retreat, forget, and just sit back and let the world take over. I guess it all comes back to the creation of the land of our own belief, if we're able."

GWT:  "I was different. Here's another exercise. Try to remember your own childhood and youth. What did people tell you about yourself? How did it affect you? How much of it have you carried over to your life today? And how have you compensated? Did you try covering up, by telling people you were other than you were."

GWT:   "Yes. For me Lincoln is someone to admire, but he's also someone whose background and problems I can relate to. These are the types people who become examples to us. They can help us tell a lot about ourselves; what we like, what excites or moves us. What we feel about them. Why not list those people you really admire. And then list the reasons why. How many of the reason's listed can you relate to yourself either as you are now or as you would like to be? Put that aside for later reference. It might be interesting as we begin to understand ourselves and others to see if and how those "Idols" change. I'd like to get back to Dr. Grey though. This is important. You'll see that she affect my life in many ways. It's important that we understand why a person can "turn us on". Don't be satisfied with the idea of someone's encouraging you with just empty words. There has to be more."

Interviewer:  "Like someone's looking beyond the superficial and seeing the "real you" regardless of your physical or mental deficiencies?"

GWT: "Or those of your environment. What do you think the difference would have been if, while you were growing up, your family and friends had been able to recognize and bring out only those true human values that are embedded in us."

   "If I lead follow me; if I retreat, shoot me." I'm not talking about pulling a gun. But rather, if I lead my life in such a way as to give you an example and show that you, too, can do the same, then you have someone to look to and gain encouragement from. But if you see me retreat from my beliefs, if I do not live what I preach, then put an end to me as a symbol and find yourself another leader to lift you to your heights. Because we're around them, people effect us, whether its for good or for bad. The example of others is key influence in the lives of most people. We should be careful, then to choose someone who exemplified a positive set of values. The whole business of what makes a good leader is our ability to identify with someone in whom we can learn to see ourselves for what we are and what we can become.